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FRANK CARSON ET AL 9-29-2016 (TOM)

HOW MANY LIES WILL MAKE WOODY’S LIES THE TRUTH?

WOODY UTTERLY DESTROYED TODAY

FRANK CARSON CASE

09/29/2016

BY WILLIAM THOMAS JENSEN (TOM)

I am going to be up late tonight putting my notes into words for you. I attended the entire day of testimony. So much is going on in the courtroom. Robert Woody was put back on the stand today, and was shown to have given inconsistent testimony, and was shown to have told countless lies. Court started at 9:52AM today. We are getting close to starting on time, but close only counts in horseshoes. We spent the first 20 minutes speaking about several motions, and then defense attorney Hans Hjertonsson took over on cross examination of Robert Woody. Hans was simply brilliant, and totally prepared. Now sit back, and I will once again try to paint for you a picture of what went on this entire day of testimony.


Judge Zuniga starts out today by speaking about a motion that has been filed by the prosecution. Judge Zuniga: “I have never seen such a motion.” Marlisa Ferreira speaks about doing something like a 1040. Defense attorney Robert Forkner states that Brady trumps the prosecution’s arguments. I believe I hear this thing concerns Detective Navarro. Defense attorney Timothy Rien states that: “This matter is an effort to protect the identity of an informant, and the information that was provided by the informant from discovery.” Rien states: “I really don’t think it is a motion.” Judge Zuniga states that: “Mr. Rien really has zeroed in on this matter, there is no legal basis.” Marlisa Ferreira then withdraws her motion. The prosecution, in this case, has shown a real aptitude for doing things with no legal basis. This time, it appears they did not get away with it. The whole matter seems to concern recordings that were done by the prosecution.

Judge Zuniga then speaks about a motion to dismiss due to Judicial Misconduct, which concerns due process that was filed by Frank Carson and Percy Martinez. I have heard that Frank Carson wrote this motion. Judge Zuniga states that she does not want to wait until the end of this preliminary hearing to rule on this motion. The judge instructs Marlisa Ferreira to respond to this motion by Monday, October 3rd. It appears that this motion will be taken up on October 17th. All the defense attorneys want all the paperwork on this issue by October 13th.

It is announced that court is starting at 1:30PM on next Tuesday. One of the lawyers has another case in the morning. None of the lawyers were thinking this thing would be dragging on into the 11th month. They all have other cases that have been postponed numerous times.


It is now around 10:20AM, and Robert Woody is put on the stand. Defense attorney Hans Hjertonsson begins his cross examination of the prosecution’s key witness. Hans starts out asking Woody about his drives from Tuolumne County. Hans asks Woody if he sits in the front or back seat while being transported. Woody says he rides: “Shotgun.” Hans asks Woody if the investigators have a problem with that. Woody: “I am shackled.” Hans asks Woody if he lived on East Ave, Turlock in 2012. Woody: “Correct.” Woody is asked about his former wife Tammy Watts. Woody says that they have 4 children together. Woody said his relationship with Daljit Atwal was good in 2012, but went sour when they began to believe he was stealing. Woody admitted that the Athwals provided money to Robert and his family.

Hans then asks Woody about the incident on Lander Ave when he and Baljit Athwal went to Michael Cooley’s house. Hans states that this was the same day that Woody’s case had been dismissed. Hans reminds Woody how he had said that he had gone to TJ Samra’s recycling business. Hans reminds Woody how he had said that TJ Samra called Michael Cooley, and that Cooley had said that he was going to come over, but Woody and Baljit Athwal drove over to Michael Cooley’s house. Hans reminds Woody how he had said that an individual had come out of the Cooley house, and had said: “What are you looking at?” Hans then reminds Woody how he had said that Baljit Athwal had told the individual: “I am no friend of yours.”

Hans then speaks about how Woody had told the investigators that Woody and Baljit Athwal drove around the block to 9th Street where the Carson property is located. Hans speaks about the incident that occurred at Korey Kauffman’s house. Hans asks Woody if DA Investigator Steve Jacobson and CHP Sargent Domby had asked him about this incident, and that Woody had told them he had no recollection of it at all. Woody: “Yea.” Hans asks Woody if DA Investigator Steve Jacobson had then asked Woody: “To do a deep search.” Woody: “I don’t remember.” Hans has Woody read the transcripts to try to refresh his memory. I am not sure how Woody responded to this. Hans reminds Woody that Jacobson and Domby told him over and over again: “You were there.” Hans reminds Woody how he had told them: “I don’t recall that.” Hans: “They told you a female had identified you?” Woody: “Correct.” Hans states that Jacobson and Domby had told him: “We already told you it was Daljit Atwal’s BMW.”

Hans: “On 08/14/2015 you had no recollection of the incident on S. Johnson?” Woody: “Correct.” Hans: “When did your mind get clearer?” There was an immediate objection by Marlisa. Woody steps down, and we have many arguments. During the arguments, defense attorney Martha Carlton Magana states that: “Woody was forced into admitting a non-existent event.” We now take our 11:00AM break.


It is now 11:19AM, and Hans Hjertonsson resumes his cross examination of Robert Woody. Hans: “At some point, you remembered?” Woody: “Correct.” Hans: “When.” Woody: “2015.” Hans: “What triggered your memory?” Woody: “A witness.” Hans: “Who?” Woody: “A woman who had seen me.” This woman turns out to be Kimberly Stout. Hans reminds Woody that he had told his family that he had taken Kimberly Stout at her word about Woody being at the incident. Hans asks Woody if he still does not recall the incident on S. Johnson. Woody: “Correct.”

Hans then asks Woody what he saw when the vehicle stopped on S. Johnson. This is strange to me because Woody had just said that he still has no independent recollection of this event. Woody said that he saw two people. Hans: “What did you say?” Woody: “Your ass is grass.” Hans: “That is what the investigators said?” Woody: “Yes.” Woody said that the two people out front were males. Woody said that they were working on a stump, trying to dig it out of the ground. Hans asks Woody if there were any vehicles parked in the driveway. Woody: “No.” Woody testified that the incident happened in the daylight. Woody said that he and Baljit were taking some milk that they had purchased from Costco to give to the Hindu Temple. Woody said that they would drop of Costco milk that was getting close to its expiration date to the temple. It appears that Pop N Cork sells Costco milk. Hans pushes Woody on the milk deliveries, and gets Woody to admit that they would always drop off milk to the temple in the evening. Woody testified that he and Baljit Athwal had dropped off milk more than 10 times to the Hindu Temple, and it was always after 5PM. Woody testified that he would always sit in the car, and never went inside of the Hindu Temple. There was an objection to this line of questioning, and the objection was sustained.


Hans then goes into 07/15/2012 when private investigators Jack Able, and Gary Armoyan had showed up at Pop N Cork Liquors. Hans speaks about how Robert Woody had said that he, Baljit Athwal, and the two investigators had gone to the liquor room at Pop N Cork where there was a closed circuit television in the room. Hans tells Woody how he has said that he could see two officers come into the front of Pop N Cork on the closed circuit television. Woody said that he was shocked, because the officers were getting ready to take some shots of alcohol. Woody said that he went to the front register, as the officers headed to the liquor room. Woody said that he watched the activity in the liquor room on a closed circuit television at the cash register. Woody said that Daljit Atwal had told him to go home, and that Baljit Athwal was in the back with the officers. Woody said that Daljit Atwal had told him that he would call Woody back in about 30 minutes. Woody said that Daljit Atwal gave him a call later on.

Hans then goes into 06/25/12 when an officer knocked on his door, and asked him questions concerning Korey Kauffman. Hans reminds Woody how he had said that Barringer had a conversation with him, and had shown him a flyer concerning Korey Kauffman.

Hans then goes into how Woody had received a cell phone call from Baljit Athwal earlier in the morning where Baljit had asked him to come over to Pop N Cork. Hans then reminds Woody he had said that Daljit Atwal had called him later in the day approximately 30 minutes after the officers stopped by for shots of alcohol. Hans reminds Woody that he had provided Detective Barringer his cell phone number. Woody could not remember providing Barringer with his cell phone number. Hans has Woody read the transcript concerning this. Woody is taken out of the courtroom. There is an offer of proof. Hans states that the two officers that came into Pop N Cork had recording devices. Hans states that the officer’s recordings clearly indicate that Baljit Athwal was at the front of the store. Hans states that there was no phone call 30 minutes after Woody left the store. Hans has Woody read the transcripts concerning this matter. Woody now remembers providing Detective Barringer the cell phone number 209-496-1712. Hans: “Did Baljit Athwal call you on that number?” Woody: “Correct.” Hans: “Did Daljit Atwal call you on that number?” Woody: “Correct.” It appears that the cell phone intercepts do not match what is going on here, but Marlisa Ferreira speaks about how the Athwals were sometimes using “Burner Phones.” Defense attorney Martha Carlton-Magana states that this mis-states the evidence, because testimony shows that burner phones were not being used at this time in the investigation. It is now time for our lunchtime break.


We resume court at 1:42PM. Hans asks Woody what he had for lunch. Woody jokes that he had pizza, but then says that he actually ate a sandwich that was provided by the jail. Hans talks to Woody about the day he was arrested on 02/28/2014 when he spoke to DA Investigator Kirk Bunch and Detective Jon Evers at the DA’s Office.

It is at this time I notice a man dressed in black on the prosecution side of the courtroom. It turns out that he is a private investigator by the name of Steve Duden. Marlisa Ferreira states that he is a potential witness in this case. She states that she might do Prop 115 testimony for him, or actually call him to the stand. Judge Zuniga states that since he might be a witness, he will have to leave the courtroom.

Now, back to the 02/28/2014 interview of Woody at the DA’s Office by Bunch and Evers. Hans asks Woody if he knew that he had an arrest warrant on him on 02/28/2014. Woody: “Yes.” Hans then speaks about 03/01/2014 when Woody sat down for around seven hours with the investigators. Hans tells Woody that the investigators had told him that they had a recording of him that was secretly done by Miranda Dykes where he admitted to killing Korey Kauffman. Woody admitted that they had told him that. Hans reminds Woody how he had indicated for hours that he had nothing to do with the murder, and had only bragged to her about it. I believe I heard that he did this because he wanted to “get laid.” Hans asks Woody if the investigators had told him that he could receive the Death Penalty or life in prison without the possibility of parole. Woody seems unsure on this, and Hans has him read the transcripts. Woody says: “Correct.” Hans speaks how Percy Martinez had asked Woody if he had burglarized a business or home in Hughson, and had pleaded guilty. There is an objection to this, and Woody is taken out of the courtroom. There were arguments, and the objection was sustained.

Woody is put back on the stand, and Hans speaks about 03/01/2014 where DA Investigator Steve Jacobson had told Woody that he didn’t actually hurt Korey Kauffman, and that he had tried to pull Baljit Athwal off of Korey Kauffman. This was objected to. Woody was once again taken out of the courtroom. Marlisa thought that this statement from Woody was not contained in this interview. Hans shows the court that this statement was contained in this interview, and that it was made by Jacobson. Marlisa Ferreira: “I stand corrected.” The objection was overruled. Robert Woody reads the transcript, and still does not remember Jacobson telling him that. Just another example of Woody’s selective memory. I am sure he is coached to say these answers to things he does not want to admit.

Hans asks Woody about the lengthy bathroom break that he had during this interview, and if he remembers it. Woody: “I guess so.” Hans states that Jacobson has told Woody that he was not going to talk about the case during the bathroom break. Hans states that Jacobson then stated that Woody made a statement. Hans: “During the break, Jake told you things to say.” Woody: “No.” Hans then reminds Woody that after this interview an investigator had talked to him and asked him about the bathroom break. Hans states that Woody told this investigator that: “Jacobson told me to tell them what they wanted to hear.” Woody: “I don’t remember that.” There goes that selective memory again. Hans asks Woody if he had told his Mom and Dad on recorded visits that: “The law made me say what they wanted.” Woody: “I might have.” Hans has Woody read the transcripts concerning this matter. Woody: “I still do not remember saying this.” Hans: “Didn’t you say that they want me to smut it up and lie and fucking lie and shit, I don’t know who did it?” Woody: “Correct.” Finally, he remembers something. Hans asks Woody about another recorded phone call where Woody told his dad that: “They want me to say I was there, and that I tried to help that kid.” “They want me to tell all those fucking lies.” Hans has Woody read the transcript of this recorded call. Woody: “I don’t recall that.”


Hans: “After the bathroom break you said you were at the Carson property when Korey Kauffman was killed?” Woody: “yea.” Hans: “You saw a scuffle for a few moments, tried to pull them off Korey Kauffman, then turned around and went home?” Woody: “Correct.” Woody speaks about how Korey Kauffman was wearing a shirt with a hoodie and “boot shoes.” Hans: “On 03/01/2014 you told Kirk Bunch that you could not recall what Korey Kauffman was wearing that night.” Hans: “When did you remember what he was wearing?” Woody: “I just remembered that.” Woody stated that he remembered what Korey Kauffman was wearing after his 08/14/2015 interview. Hans reminds Woody that Steve Jacobson had asked him about Korey Kauffman’s boots on 08/15/2015. Hans: “Did Jacobson ask you about the color of the boots?” Woody: “I don’t recall.” Hans asks Woody if there was a screw holding together one of the shoes. Woody: “I don’t recall.” Hans: “You said Korey Kauffman’s shirt had a logo?” Woody: “Correct.” Hans: “When did you recall that?” Woody: “Just came to mind.” Hans: “When did you get to Pop N Cork that day?” Woody: “Don’t remember.” Hans: “Who was at Pop N Cork?” Woody: “Daljit and Baljit.” Hans: “What was Daljit doing at Pop N Cork?” Woody: “Working the cash register.” Hans: “You and Daljit left?” Woody: “Correct.” Woody testified that he and Daljit Atwal left Pop N Cork twice that day. The first time was around 12:30AM to 1:30AM. He was not exactly sure what time they had first left the store. I am not quite sure when they left the store the second time. I think it was when the truck was burned.

Hans asks Woody about the bar area in the back of Pop N Cork, and if there were any people there. Woody says that there were two ladies in the bar area of Pop N Cork. Hans: “Who?” Woody: “Friends and family of Walter Wells.” Woody states that on 08/14/2015 that CHO Sargent Domby had said that the ladies were from Walter Wells family, and that had helped him remember that they were there. He seems to be getting all the “facts” of the case from the investigators. Hans: “Daljit told you that Baljit had called him?” Woody: “Correct.” Hans: “Where were you?” Woody: “Stocking the shelves.” Hans: “You went over with Daljit in his vehicle?” Woody: “Correct.” Hans: “you didn’t know where you were going?” Woody: “Correct.” Hans: “You saw a scuffle going on, the body was moved, that evening you never saw a gun?” Woody: “A direct gun no.” Hans: “you saw what you thought was a bullet hole?” Woody: “there was one.” Hans: “you heard a sound that could have been a gun shot?” Woody: “Correct.” Woody: “I turned around and saw something in Daljit’s left hand that he put into his pocket.” Hans: “On every single statement you made before speaking to Marlisa Ferreira you stated that you did not see a gun?” Woody: “Correct.”

Hans: “You told Domby you had lied about being to the Carson property?” Woody: “Correct.” Hans: “After the bathroom break they asked you and you said you had been to the Carson property?” Woody: “Correct.” Hans: “You came back with Daljit to Pop N Cork?” Woody: “Correct.” Woody testified that Baljit arrived at Pop N Cork about 8 minutes later with the body in the back of his truck. Woody testified that Daljit Atwal removed the cables that were locking the front doors to Pop N Cork, and went inside. Robert Woody testified that he was standing at the gate to the side yard.

Hans tells Woody that on 08/15/2015 he was taken to Pop N Cork with the investigators. Hans tells Woody that what he saw was a gate right in front of him, and that right next to that gate is a gate that consists of two doors that open inwards. Hans asks Woody if sometime before 08/15/2015 something was modified. Woody: “Yes.” Hans asks Woody if there was only one door. Woody: “There was always two doors.”


Hans: “Why did you not tell that Robin Attenhoffer went with you to the mountains?” Woody: “My love for her.” Hans: “After 08/14/2015 you said that she went with you to the mountains, drove out 140, and threw the fingers and toes into the river.” Hans: “Were you telling a lie?” Woody: “Correct.” Hans says that the pedestrian gate on the side yard was built after Woody was arrested, and that there was no pedestrian gate in March of 2012.

Woody testifies that Baljit Athwal backed the truck into the side yard at Pop N Cork, and that he dug the hole. He said that Robin Attenhoffer was not there. Woody said that Baljit Athwal did not help him dig the hole. Hans: “You told Helton and Baker that you and Baljit were both digging the hole?” Woody: “Correct.” Hans: “Was that truthful?” Woody: “No.” Hans: “Why did you lie on 03/01/2014 that you were not on the Carson property?” Woody: “I was told to keep my mouth shut.”

Hans: “On 04/27/2016 you said that you and Baljit dug the grave to Investigator Helton and Martin Baker.” Hans: “Why did you lie?” Woody: “No purpose.” Hans: “Why did you lie about being there?” Woody: “I don’t know.” Hans: “No explaination?” Woody: “No.” We now take the 3:00PM break a little bit late.

It is now 3:36PM, and Hans Hjertonsson resumes his cross examination of Robert Woody. Hans: “Why did you lie about throwing the fingers and the toes into the river?” Woody: “No particular reason.” Woody states that the truck was inside the side yard when he was digging the hole. Hans: “Did you hit any pipes when you were digging the hole?” Woody: “Don’t recall.” I would bet my bottom dollar there are some pipes right where Woody said the body was buried. Hans: “Did you hear any clanking sounds like you hit a pipe?” Woody: “No.” Hans: “You said it took approximately 10 minutes to dig the hole?” Woody: “Correct.” Hans: “you and Baljit moved the body into the hole?” Woody: “Correct.” Woody said that he put a tarp on the ground that was approximately 10 ft by 10 ft. Hans: “Did you put the tarp in the hole?” Woody: “Correct.” Hans: “you moved the body into the hole?” Woody: “correct.” Woody said that he then dismembered the fingers and the toes. He stated that he started with the left hand index finger, but has no clear recollection of the events. Hans: “Was this traumatic?” Woody: “Correct.” Hans brings out that Woody had previously stated that he started with cutting off the pinky finger. Hans: “Is it difficult to keep up with all the lies?” This was objected to, and the objection was sustained.

Hans: “What was Daljit wearing that night?” Woody: “blue pants and a t shirt.” Woody was not sure if anyone had changed their clothes after putting Korey Kauffman into the ground. Woody stated that he wiped his hands with some rags, and then washed them using a faucet on the side yard. Hans tells Woody that he had told Martin Baker and Investigator Helton that he did not wash his hands after putting Korey Kauffman into the ground. Hans: “What was the purpose of that lie?” Woody: “No reason.” Hans: “What did you do with your clothing?” Woody: “I threw them in the trash.”

Hans tells Woody that on 08/14/2015 he had told Steve Jacobson and Sargent Domby that Korey Kauffman’s body was moved to the mountains the same night as the murder. Woody states that he does not remember telling them that. Hans then tells Woody that Domby and Baker told him: “No No No, the cell phone data does not support that.” Woody states that he does not remember them telling him that. Hans states that Woody had said that he had made two fires, and that Steve Jacobson had looked at him, and that on 08/15 he had said that he had not made a fire. Hans: “What was the purpose of that lie?” Woody: “I don’t know.” Hans brings up 10/06/2015 when Woody asks Jacobson if he was not pleased with the story he was telling. Woody: “I might have said that.” Hans has Woody read the transcript of that, and Woody says: “That’s what it says on there.”

Hans brings up that Woody had said that the body was moved from Pop N Cork because some cops had been to the store asking questions. Hans states that Woody had said that the cops had come by approximately one week before the body was moved. Hans: “How many cops?” Woody: “A couple.” Woody said they were male cops. Woody said they came by two times asking questions about Korey Kauffman. Woody said that he was the only one that dug up the body of Korey Kauffman. Hans: “Smell?” Woody: “yes.” Hans: “Cover your face with a wet rag?” Woody: “Yes.” Hans: “Was Robin there?” Woody: “She showed up after the body was loaded up.” Hans: “Baljit did not help to dig up the body?” Woody: “Correct.” Woody said that Baljit was standing right there next to him. Hans: “What happened to the soil?” Woody: “Not much was taken, around five gallons of soil.” Hans: “How was this soil moved?” Woody: “shovel.” Hans: “Who moved the soil?” Woody: “Me.” Hans: “You told Jake and Domby that Robin filled the hole.” Woody speaks about filling the hole partially, and then finishing filling the hole after getting back from burning the truck. Hans: “Have you ever told that to anyone before?” Woody: “Don’t recall.”

Hans: “On 08/14/2015 you were asked by the investigators where the truck was parked in the mountains when you dumped the body.” Hans: “you told them the truck was parked on the asphalt.” Woody: “Correct.” This is odd, because it was strictly a dirt road by the time the body of Korey Kauffman got to the spot where it was put into the woods. Hans brings up that Woody was taken to the grave site on 08/14/2015 when he could see the surroundings. Woody said that was correct.


Hans states that Woody said that they took approximately five gallons of soil to the mountains with the body of Korey Kauffman. Hans: “Where did that soil end up?” Woody: “Some came off the truck.” Hans: “On 08/14/2015 you told Steve Jacobson and Domby that you were tossing soil off the truck.” Hans: “Why did you lie?” Woody: “No comment.” Hans: “When you came back to the store, the store was open.” Hans: “Did you go in?” Woody: “No.” Woody said that he got some gas cans, and drove to the country and burned the truck. Woody said that he saw Daljit Atwal get into his vehicle and follow him to the country to burn the truck. Hans: “Where did you get the gas?” Woody: “On the side yard, we had it for the mower and the weeder.” Woody said that he got one three gallon plastic gas can, and another one gallon plastic gas can from the side yard. He said the gas cans were red. Hans tells Woody that on 03/01/2014, after his arrest, he had told Kirk Bunch that he had only used a single one gallon gas can. Woody states that he does not remember telling Kirk Bunch that he only used one gas can containing one gallon of gas. Hans has Woody read the transcripts concerning this. Woody could not remember telling Bunch this.

Hans asks Woody if he had said that after he had burned the truck he had burned the rags, and the saw.” Woody: “Yes.” Hans: “What about the socks?” Woody: “I did not burn them.” Hans asks Woody that on 08/15/2015 he had told Steve Jacobson that he had burned the socks. Woody says that he does not recall saying that. Hans has Woody read the transcripts. Hans: “Does that refresh your memory?” Woody: “Yes, correct.” Hans: “Purpose of that lie?” Woody: “No explaination.”

Hans: “After cutting the fingers and toes off did you put the socks back on?” Woody: “No.” Woody said he put the socks next to the body in the tarp, and moved the body and the socks up to the mountains. Woody said that he rolled the body out of the tarp in the mountains, and put the socks back into the tarp. He said he threw the bloody tarp and socks into the trash. Woody said that the rags, socks, and the saw were put back into the tarp after dumping the body, and were taken back to Pop N Cork. After he burned the truck, he had a fire on the side lot of Pop N Cork and burned the rags, the saw, and the socks. Woody said that he put what was left over from burning the items into the bloody tarp and put them in a black trash bag, and put them into the trash. Hans: “When did you tell that to anyone?” Woody: “I don’t recall.” Woody said that he stomped out the fire with his shoe. Hans: “Tell anyone?” Woody: “I don’t think so.” Hans: “Did you take a shovel to the mountains?” Woody: “No.” Woody testified earlier today that he used a shovel to get rid of the five gallons of dirt that was taken with the body to the mountains. It is now almost midnight, and I have been writing this article since I got home. Time to eat, and to go to bed. I am exhausted.

Sincerely; William Thomas Jensen (Tom)

FRANK CARSON et al 9-29-2016 (marty)

MORE WOODY DRAMA

By Marty Carlson

9-29-2016

Tom Jensen did the morning session and did hang around for the afternoon session to because of the nature of the testimony, so his report will be up much later tonight as he is a full day to document.

The afternoon session started around 1340 hrs. and it was attorney Hans doing a cross examination on Robert Woody. Started out kind of funny when Hans asked Woody what he had for lunch, and Woody stated he had pizza and beer, and then started laughing and said he had a typical County lunch. That means was probably a bologna sandwich and some fruit.


Hans began talking about when Woody turned himself in in the first interview he had was with Kirk Bunch and Woody stated it was with the big cheek guy meaning John Evers.

At that point it was brought the attention by Mme. DA that private investigator Steve Duden was in the gallery and he’s under subpoena and subject to be called for testimony and requested that he be removed from the courtroom. Apparently he was asked to leave and refused to do so the judge did order him to leave.

Woody was asked about when he was still with Candi Watt’s and living in motels moving around the Turlock area, just before he turned himself in.


And then when he was talking to the investigators about the body wire worn by Maranda Dykes and what he had said about feeding did body to the pigs. Woody stated he did not recall telling investigators that he was there when the Cory Kaufman beat down occurred on the Frank Carson property. He was given the transcript to refresh his memory and he still did not recall after reading the transcript of the interview.

He was also asked about some burglary charges of a residence in Hughson he stated he did not do it but he did plea to it.

Again he was asked to leave the stand for an offer of proof about whether he did not he was being told he is facing a murder charge and his state of mind and the judge disallowed that line of questioning.

In the March 2014 interview Steve Jacobson said to him you didn’t try to hurt Korey Kauffman only help him, again he didn’t really recall so he is reading a transcript again, and he said again he does not remember.


He was asked about the bathroom break were Kirk Bunch said on the video that he had made a statement during the break in the bathroom and he did not recall that either.

Then began asking about his attorney and privilege they had in their conversations which included a private investigator that he and the attorney had told him to tell them what they wanted to hear. Again he did not recall.

They began discussing a phone call that he had to his dad from the jail that would been recorded where he told his dad they want me to lie and muddy it up and say I did it. Woody again stated he did not recall the conversation and repeated that after he read the transcript.

There were talking about what Cory Kaufman was wearing he said it was a shirt of Woody and some boot type shoes. But originally he had stated he could not remember what Korey Kauffman was wearing, when he first talks to Kirk Bunch that all the sudden had a flash of memory one day then could remember it again.

It did appear that Woody was getting really confused about what and when he remembered about the clothing, but did remember it was after the August 2015 interview.

Also during that August 2015 interview he stated that he did not recall that Cory was wearing a T-shirt with the logo on it, but he had what he called a back thought that made him remember the logo on the shirt one day.

On the night of the alleged incident he did not know what time he had arrived at pop and cork he stated D was there and was pretty sure Bobby was there. He stated he had very little recollection of the time of day that he had arrived and D was at the register and that did leave the store twice.


He stated he had gone out to the front of the store several times to smoke outside and D with is on the register every time. He also stated that there were two ladies that were in the back of the store and he believes they were family of Walter Wells.

He said the out walls told them who they were but did not really remember them until Sgt. Domby told him that they were there that night.

He stated that D had received a call from Bobby, but did not actually see or hear the phone call he was just told to come along. And he also stated that he had never actually seen a gun in anybody’s hand that night.

He stated that he did see a bullet wound in the victims back, and there was something in D’s hand that he had slipped into his pocket but did not know what it was.

On the August 14, 2015 interview he stated he had lied in the previous interviews, and after the break he admitted being on the property, he and D arrived at pop and cork from the Carson property around 8 PM.

He was asked about the side lot of pop and cork in the walk-through that he had did in August 2015 and he had talked about some additional gates that were there at the time but had since been removed by his dad.

He also stated that he had lied about Robin Attenhoffers involvement due to his love for her and did want her to get in trouble. He also stated that he and Robin had gone out Highway 140 to dispose of the digits on the second transportation night.


He stated that these he did not have pedestrians in the back of the store through the gate in 2012 and in fact they had put some other security in as far as gates and such to keep what he referred to as a tweakers out. He also stated that the area where Bobby had backed into the back lot through the double gates all the way to the back fence. He stated Bobby kept an eye out while he was digging, but he had told investigators at one point that Bobby was helping him Dick. He was asked why he lied to his investigator and his attorney about who was digging and he says I don’t know I got no explanation.

We then went on the afternoon break

he was asked why he would lie about the toes and the fingers and what he had done with them like throwing them in the river, he stated he has no reason why he lied. He was asked if while he was digging if he had come across any Pipe underground or metal in the garden area he said he did not recall. He stated it took about 10 minutes to dig the hole then put the body inside of it on top of a tarp the tarp appeared to be around 10 x 15′.

When he had cut the digits off the hand he said he started with the left hand, index finger first. He also stated he never cut fingers or toes at any time prior to that and he stated it was traumatizing for him to do that.


He again stated he started with the index finger, but when he was reminded of prior testimony he did not recall saying that he started with the pinky finger of the left in.

He stated that D was wearing just a T-shirt and some probably some slacks and never saw him change any clothes. But at one point to his investigator and attorney he stated that the out walls at both change clothing, and then he stated again he did not know why he lied.

He stated his hands got extremely bloody and then he wiped them off with rags and then washed him with this picket outside. But improvement statements he was reminded that he is said he had not washed his hands. He stated that he through his clothes away in the trash when he got home.

He was asked about initially telling Sgt. Dom be the body was moved to the mountains on the same night of the homicide he stated no that’s not what he said. Again he was given a transcript to help them recall but again he could not.

Woody was asked about Domby telling him about cell phone evidence but he did not recall, read the transcript and still did not recall.

He stated he had told numerous stories about the fire he had started to burn the evidence in the back of the store. He had stated he had put the bloody rags and the socks in a burn barrel in the back, when he started a fire he felt that would draw too much attention with the smoke and put it out and through the socks and the tarp the both had blood all over them in the dumpster.


In October 2015 in an interview with Jacobson he was asked why he asked the investigator “you are not pleased?” And he stated he did not recall remember why he said that.

Woody said they decided to move the body because of law enforcement officers had been coming around the store asking questions, he stated that it happened at least two times. So they dug up the body which he stated had a bad smell, and Robin had showed up after the body was loaded in the truck.

When asked about how much dirt was removed from the gravesite, he stated total of less than maybe a 5-gallon bucket and spread it around on the tarp in the truck to keep it down.

He also admitted at one time he said Bobby has helped to the digging in the back of the store now he saying that Bobby did not help at all.

He stated he did not fill in the grave until after they got back from Mariposa County, and Robin then helped him fill it in.

He did not recall telling anyone about refilling the whole prior to that statement. He was asked if they had parked on asphalt he stated yeah maybe I don’t know, he said it was dirt grease asphalt maybe. He stated some of the dirt was poured on the ground off the side of the road and some of the dirt came out of the ground while traveling, and he stated he had told another lie about throwing dirt out while driving.


After he did return from Mariposa he had gotten two gas cans to burn the truck. There was a 1-3 gallon can in one 1 gallon 1 can. He also again stated he did not recall previous statements of starting the fire with the gas at the pop and cork after burning the truck to burn the rags and socks, and knife.

He stated he did put the socks next to the body at pop and cork and they went to the mountains with the body. They had rolled the body out of the tarp in the mountains the rags and the socks were put in the tarp and brought back to pop and cork.

When they came back to burn the truck lit a fire in a barrel and tried to burn the rags and the knife, but he ends up putting the bloody tarp in a dumpster with the bloody socks.

He stated he had previously tried to burn the socks that the only burn partially and again was concerned about the smoke and he put up the fire in the it only burned on the surface. He had never told the investigators about the socks not being totally burned.

He stated that he never saw a gun the entire night before or after the incident.

That’s where we reached the end of the day and we stopped the court will be continued Monday morning at 10 AM.

Tom’s report will be up a little later as he has a lot to write.


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FRANK CARSON et al 9-27-2016 (marty)

Court day 108

Custody day 409

Persuasion from a higher calling

by Marty Carlson

9-27-2016


The afternoon session started it 1339 hours in this Woody’s was starting to get up on the stand is attorney Bruce Perry stated he wanted to have a conversation with him and delete proceeding for about five minutes.

Percy Martinez asked the court if you get asked if the couple more questions of Robert Woody, and he asked him if he watched the video of that interview from August 2015 at the jail. He stated he had and Steve “the juice” Jacobson was there with him. This was done last week at the Tuolumne County jail. He also stated he did not recall if he had read the transcripts of that video.

Must be noted to that for some reason Stanislaus County is trying to hide the location of Robert Woody, as he shows in custody in the Stanislaus County main jail. But Matt MDA has made several references to him being picked up by investigator Lingerfelt who appears to live in that area and picks him up on his way down. In addition, Beverly Woody stated yesterday while she was at the court that she had a visit with her son at the Tuolumne County jail last weekend. Apparently her efforts to suborning perjury up to this point have not been enough to keep her from being allowed to visit her son while she still under subpoena in this case. One last note Percy Martinez asked if he viewed that video at the 20 County jail he confirmed that he did. Just a side note and I don’t know why they continually try to have cloak and dagger stuff going on when it’s obvious where he’s at.

At that point Robert Forkner then began cross examination of Robert Woody was talking about when the investigators talk to him he stated he had lied to them and he had lied to his lawyers to. He told them he had made a number of false statements to all involved.

Woody was shown a report that apparently was written by his attorney Bruce Perry, dated

4-2-2014. It stated that he did not know the pop and cork brothers were involved, and also stated to the lawyer that is not what the investigators wanted him to say. He stated he was never involved in the beating and he was only trying to impress Maranda Dykes with his story that she recorded on the body wire because he was trying to get laid. Also what he said on the wire was mostly all street talk that he had heard.


He stated he really liked Maranda Dykes and he was trying to sound important. He had made up all the information about the pigs and he only knew Korey Kaufman vaguely from the streets.

He stated B and D were good guys and would never do anything illegal. He was asked if he stated they were good influences on him and he could not recall.

He stated the brothers had been talking about fixing his teeth for some time not just after March 30 of 2012.

He also stated that when he turned himself in he was high on math and had been drinking. He had been up for a few days and he did not recall if he said he’d ever been on the Carson property before.

There was a long objection by the district attorney about Robert Forkner asking the witness to look at transcripts that he was constantly having trouble remembering what he said. The judge finally stated that it can be done for limited purposes only. Also there was some discussion by the judge about a misstatement of evidence objection when the judge did not hear the testimony when he said he had been drinking before a turned himself in. The judge had a review of the transcript real-time and had corrected herself. I wonder what else she misses not listening.

He was asked about an interview he had done with a private investigator that was hired by his attorney and he had stated the Atwahl brothers and Frank Carson were all good guys. Again is been discussed and that interview and he stated that he could not recall ever being on Carson’s property.


The investigator it inquired about the bathroom break and he had told the investigator that no one had threatened him during the break but did say that investigator “Jake” kept telling him to say what they wanted him to say.

He also stated there was a big guy with big cheek in the interview who was being an ass in that was determined to be Detective Evers.

There were discussing an interview that was done in March 2014, shortly after he had turned himself in, and Jake had told him that the Atwahl brothers and Frank Carson were rolling over on him. But he stated he did not recall that being said. He also stated he did not recall the saying that someone had used, the first one to the plate goes home.

On March 14, 2014 he was picked up at the Tuolumne County jail by Steve Jacobson and Dale Lingerfelt to be transported to court in Modesto. He stated he did not recall being told that the brothers will kill you and put you down just like they did Korey Kaufman. In fact, Jacobson told him they will snuff you out like they did Korey Kaufman, again he did not recall that being said. He also stated he did not recall saying that he wanted to tell the story is so that would set him free.

Robert Forkner at that time wanted to play the transportation audio and the district attorney objected saying is improper to play the tape that there is no foundation and not proper procedure as if she would actually know that.

Robert Forkner stated it shows threats and statements by the investigators the judge said normally it is improper but can be for non-hearsay purposes with a proper foundation. When Woody was asked if he wanted to review the audio to see if it helped his memory he said “we could try.”

Again that led to another long argument on the relevance of the audio the DA says not relevant and the defense attorneys are arguing that its prior inconsistent statements.

The judge says it’s not proper to play the audio and to also read the transcript at the same time. And also saying that the whole video may be inconsistent and improper also. The transportation audio is all the defense wants to play as for what was said.


Mme. district attorney is reading case law about helping a witness to remember statements, which usually doesn’t work out well for her because the judge usually knows these things already. The judge advised her that she is reading the proper statute but is not understanding its meaning or how it applies in this particular case. The DA continued to argue with the judge and I believe she quoted 1235 of the evidence code in the judge again is trying to explain to the DA she is not reading the statute correctly. It finally became obvious that the judge is losing patience with Matt MDA and through her teeth one final time she is incorrect.

At that point we took the afternoon break which she said is a strict 15 minutes and it lasted over 20.

We returned from break to listen to the audio of the transportation of Woody to court. The judge was concerned that Woody cannot keep up with reading the transcript and listening to the audio so they told him to just listen to the audio and it is a started. Initially the audio is very difficult to hear the judge stopped it and expressed concern and she was advised that in a minute or so it would get better be easier to understand.

It started out with someone who I believe to be Steve Jacobson telling him to do the right thing for his family’s sake. He told Woody that the brothers wanted to keep him locked up, they are worried about what he might say. Jacobson was saying to him they are not your friends and they will want to kill him if he’s not careful.

Woody made a comment that he was being punished for something that he did not do, and he also stated that they think he is a Fucking liar.

Jacobson continued telling him the brothers want him staying right where he is at and there are four people that are prime suspects in this case but he is the only one in custody. They also stated that people are going to his house that are being sent by the brothers, and they are picking him up and transporting him to court personally to keep him alive.

Steve Jacobson started giving a long speech about attorney-client privilege and his ability to talk to his lawyer when he gets to the courthouse. He also stated God will put it in his heart to tell the truth and not go down alone on this case. Jacobson was telling him that he is giving Woody his word to help him to finally bring the truth out.

He was telling him how competent his lawyer is and he was obviously trying to gain Woody’s trust. He also talked about Woody’s fear of worms and fishing and his inability to gut a fish get he doesn’t like to hurt things. He was also telling Robert Woody he has to be honest for the best interest of his family.

Jacobson also mentioned to him about Cory Kaufman family will be in court and he needs to think about them and their need for closure. They told him he needs to make things right to be able to get the right things that he wants. There were telling Woody the brothers think he is expendable and as long as he keeps his mouth shut they will keep him around and control him but as soon as he talks they will lose control.

Sometime during this series of speeches by Jacobson you can hear some snoring in the background apparently investigator Lingerfelt got bored with the conversation and went to sleep.

Jacobson was telling him they see him as a value as a human being so he has no worries about them.


Jacobson started talking about Woody’s dad who he feels reads the Bible and he keeps himself in the word of God, and he believes that his dad has a strong relationship and belief in God. Jacobson also stated that he knows Woody’s mom keep the Bible on her nightstand and stays within the word and is strong with the Lord.

Apparently it’s the court system she has a problem with.

He goes on to say that he was raised with God and that means he has honor. He says that they must trust everything with his family ties and about them being good people and telling the whole story and complete truth. And he must be honest in front of “Almighty God.”

Jacobson kept talking a lot about Woody’s family mostly his mom and dad and it is obvious to me he was trying to play on his emotions.

Jacobson tells him he needs to talk to his lawyer, his family, then investigators if need be. Jacobson also stated that he likes talking to Woody’s dad as he’s a good man and enjoys their conversations. But he did say not to tell his parents where he is locked up for his safety concerns.

At that point in the recording the arrived at the courthouse and they were looking for some masking or duct tape to cover up the markings on his gel close that show that he’s at Tuolumne County.

At that point Robert Forkner asked Woody if that audio recording that helped his memory and he stated it did help some.

He stated that he remembers that Carson and the brothers had nothing to do with it is what he said at the time. He was also asked if he remembers the brothers was going to kill him. He says he wasn’t sure. But he was concerned about being murdered for something that he didn’t do.

He stated he does not remember most of what the investigators wanted to know and he just repeated eventually wasn’t they wanted him to say. But after listening to the tape he still having trouble remembering statements and about making lies in such.

That was the end of the day for the afternoon session and tomorrow there is a motion scheduled for 9:30 AM, and at 10 AM the prelim will continue but don’t count on it.

FRANK CARSON et al 9-27-2016 (tom)

ROBERT WOODY GRILLED ONCE AGAIN BY PERCY MARTINEZ

FRANK CARSON CASE

09/27/2016

BY WILLIAM THOMAS JENSEN (TOM)

Today, Judge Zuniga was only 5 minutes late arriving at the courthouse, but court did not start until 9:50AM, twenty minutes after the intended start time. It would be nice if we could start on time just one time. She could build on that, and things might go faster in this never ending preliminary hearing.

I had an interesting conversation with a lady who appears to have changed her mind about the state of the prosecution’s case. This nice lady has sat every day in the courtroom watching what I have been watching for almost a year. When I first started talking to her, she was convinced that all the defendants were guilty as sin. Our conversation today showed me that she has come to the realization that no jury will ever convict anyone based on the testimony of Robert Woody. She now does not believe anything that comes from the mouth of Robert Woody. She believes someone killed Korey Kauffman, but does not believe the tale that the prosecution has been trying to spin. She sees how Woody has been manipulated by the investigators to say what they want him to say in order to get his plea deal. She has more trust in the judge to throw this whole thing out than I do. I certainly hope that she is right. To hold anyone over for trial based on the evidence presented would be a travesty of justice.

Robert Woody is called to the stand at 9:50AM, and defense attorney Percy Martinez continues his lengthy cross examination of the prosecution’s key witness. Percy is leaving no stone unturned in his efforts to show how Robert Woody has lied, and been manipulated by the investigators to tell the story they want him to say. I must say that Percy Martinez did a magnificent job today in what he was trying to do.


Percy Martinez asks Woody about the interview that he did on 08/14/2015. He asks Woody if CHP Sargent Domby had asked him if he had tried to run from the alleged killing of Korey Kauffman on the Carson property. Woody: “I didn’t know.” Percy asks Woody if Korey Kauffman was standing during the alleged altercation. Woody could not recall. Percy Martinez has Woody read page 145, lines 10-13 of the transcripts of the interview. Percy: “You remember?” Woody: “Yea.” Woody said that Korey Kauffman was standing.

Percy Martinez then asks Woody if he said that Baljit Athwal had hands on Korey Kauffman. Woody: “Yea.” Percy then asks Woody if he told Domby he had left the Carson property alone from the fight. Woody: “Correct.” Woody told Percy that Korey Kauffman was being slapped around, and he then had left the Carson property.

Percy Martinez asks Woody if he had told the investigators that there was no metal stacked up on the Carson property to act as bait. Woody at first could not remember. He was allowed to read page 156, lines 15-22, and said that it was correct that he had told the investigators that no stacked up metal was used as bait to lure in Korey Kauffman. Percy once again asks Woody that he had told the investigators that he had only seen Korey Kauffman being slapped around before he left the Carson property alone. Woody: “Correct.” Percy then asks Woody if he had told the investigators that Baljit Athwal and Daljit Atwal did not use their knees while they were beating down Korey Kauffman. Woody: “Correct.” Woody said that he told the investigators that he left the Carson property while he saw the Athwal’s slapping Korey Kauffman around, and saw the Athwal brothers at Pop N Cork Liquors the next morning.

Percy Martinez asks Woody if CHP Sargent Domby had told him that: “The choices of what you say are going to be told to Marlisa Ferreira.” Woody: “Correct.” Percy asks Woody if the investigators had insisted that he tried to stop the fight at the Carson property. Woody: “No.” Percy has Woody read page 169, lines 9-28 from the transcripts of the interview. Percy asks Woody if DA Investigator Steve Jacobson had asked him if he had tried to help Korey Kauffman. Woody: “Yes.” Percy gets Woody to admit that his “Momma” had said that he had tried to help Korey Kauffman during the fight. Percy: “Did you try to stop the fight?” Woody: “yes.” Percy: “You were told by the investigators that your story should state that you pulled on the shirts of Baljit and Daljit to stop the fight?” Woody: “Correct.” Percy: “You were told by the investigators that the Athwals were going to blame you for killing Korey Kauffman and cutting him up with a chain saw?” Woody: “Correct.”

Percy Martinez asks Woody if his attorney Martin Baker had talked about how the Athwals were going to engage in street justice against him. This was objected to, and the objection was sustained. Percy asks Woody if he told the investigators that he believed that Korey Kauffman was bleeding. Woody: “Correct.” Percy asks Woody if he told the investigators that he had not seen any guns involved. Woody: “Correct.” Percy asks Woody if he had told the investigators that he was approximately 100 feet away when he heard a sound that sounded like a gun shot. Woody: “Correct.” Percy asks Woody if he went directly to Pop N Cork Liquors after leaving the Carson property. Woody: “Correct.” Percy asks Woody if he had told the investigators that Korey Kauffman’s body was not buried at Pop N Cork Liquors. Woody: “Correct.”

Percy Martinez then asks Woody if his attorney Martin Baker had told Woody to “Come clean, your family wants you home.” Woody: “Correct.” This man, in my opinion, would be inadequate to represent a pet rock. Percy asks Woody if he had told the investigators that he had buried Korey Kauffman’s body without cutting off the fingers and the toes. Woody: “Correct.” Percy asks Woody if he had told the investigators that all of the officers were legitimate. Woody: “Correct.” Percy asks Woody if he had told the investigators that he had thrown the fingers and toes of Korey Kauffman into the river. Woody: “Correct.” Woody said that Robin Attenhoffer was with him when the fingers and toes were dumped into the river. Percy asks Woody if his attorney Martin Baker had told him another story about how he had taken the fingers and toes to the mountains where they were dumped. This was objected to, and the objection was sustained. Once again, I think that Martin Baker should not be a lawyer for anyone who wants good representation.

Percy Martinez asks Woody if he told the investigators that he got rid of the fingers and toes after burning the truck. Woody: “Correct.” Percy asks Woody if he got rid of the fingers and toes the same day that the truck was burned, or the next day. Woody: “I think I said the same day.” Percy asks Woody why he waited until 08/14/2015 to say that he was involved with the killing of Korey Kauffman. Woody: “I was waiting for it to all blow away.” Percy asks Woody if he told the investigators that he had buried Korey Kauffman’s body at Pop N Cork Liquors. Woody: “I don’t know.” Woody is asked to step down from the stand, and is taken out of the courtroom. It is at this time that I notice defense attorney Jesse Garcia checking the area that Woody is taken into. I think Jesse was making sure that Steve Jacobson was not being allowed to speak with Woody while he was out of the courtroom.


Woody is brought back onto the stand. Percy Martinez asks Woody about a transportation that was done on 03/14/2014 where he was being driven from Tuolumne County to Modesto by Steve Jacobson and Detective Dale Lingerfeldt. Percy asks Woody if he had been asked by the investigators if he had a chance to speak with his lawyers about being able to speak with the investigators during the ride. I am not sure how Woody answered this question. Woody is taken out of the courtroom once again.

Defense attorney Martha Carlton-Magana speaks up, and tells how Steve Jacobson had told Woody that he would never see his family or children again.

Judge Zuniga states that she sees how the comments Steve Jacobson had made had put pressure on Robert Woody. Martha Carlton-Magana states that Woody had told the investigators that he did not know if Daljit Atwal or Baljit Athwal were involved in the killing of Korey Kauffman. We now take our 11:00AM break.

We resume cross examination on Robert Woody at 11:10AM. Percy asks Woody if he was told by the investigators that his story should state that he had pulled on the shirt of Daljit Atwal and Baljit Athwal to try to stop the fight. Woody: “I don’t recall.” Percy has Woody once again to read the transcript on this. It was page 171, lines 17-19. Woody says: “Correct.” How many times can these investigators cross the line? Who is the criminal here? Percy: “Did you stop in Oakdale while on the drive to Modesto?” Woody: “Yea.” Percy: “Why did you stop in Oakdale?” Woody: “To smoke.” Percy: “Did you tell the investigators that you were not involved.” Woody: “Yes.” Percy: “Did you tell the investigators that Frank Carson and the Athwals were not involved in the killing of Korey Kauffman?” Woody: “Correct.” Woody had told them that he did not know who was involved in the killing of Korey Kauffman. Percy: “Did your lawyer tell you to do nothing and to say nothing?” Woody: “Correct.” Percy: “Did Jake tell you that if you say anything that you will be snuffed out just like Korey Kauffman?” Woody: “Correct.”


Percy: “After the polygraph on 04/24/2014 till your statement on 08/14/2014 did you speak with any of the investigators about the case?” Woody: “Don’t recall.” Percy: “During this time period, did you tell the investigators that you were not involved?” Woody: “Correct.” Percy: “In your meetings with your lawyers, were you ever told that Frank Carson was going to be arrested?” There was an objection to this, and it was overruled. Woody: “Not to my knowledge.” Percy: “Since you began testimony, have you ever been taken to the DA’s office?” Woody: “No.” Percy: “Did you understand that your testimony was necessary for you to get your plea deal?” There were several objections to this, and Percy had to re-craft his question several times. Woody: “I told my lawyers in 2016 that I would testify without a plea deal.” Woody said that he told his lawyers this in July of 2016, after he had made his retraction of previous statements. Percy: “Why did you ask for the transcripts before you testified?” Woody: “Why not?” Percy: “Did you want to review your statements?” Woody: “No.” Percy: “Why did you ask for the transcripts?” Woody: “I like to know what is going on.” Percy: “Why?” Woody: “They are mine.” Percy: “You know you told many lies?” Woody: “Correct.” Woody: “I will know what to answer.” Percy Martinez: “No further questions.” Percy had finally gotten the answer he wanted from Robert Woody. Woody is allowed to step down from the stand. It is now almost time for our lunchtime break.

Defense attorney Hans Hjertonsson states that he wants to do his cross examination of Robert Woody tomorrow morning because of all the late discovery. He states that he is not ready to start cross examination today. Defense attorney Martha Carlton-Magana also states that the late discovery would make a delay necessary.

Defense attorney Robert Forkner states that he has reserved further cross examination on Woody because of the late discovery. He states that he can resume his cross examination at 1:30PM today. Judge Zuniga states that she will let Hans Hjertonsson have until tomorrow to prepare for his cross examination. She states that when an attorney states that he or she is not prepared to proceed, she is bound to allow their request. She states that these kinds of things can result in reversals. Judge Zuniga is going to allow Robert Forkner to resume his cross examination at 1:30PM. It appears from conversation that Robert Forkner is looking forward to his cross examination of Woody this afternoon. Marty Carlson will be reporting on the afternoon session.

Sincerely; William Thomas Jensen (Tom)