FRANK CARSON ET AL CASE
FOR ALL THE MARBLES
ENTIRE DAY OF TESTIMONY 01/22/2019
BY WILLIAM THOMAS JENSEN (TOM)
WEEK 36, DAY 125
THE DESTRUCTION OF ROBERT WOODY CONT.
THE LIES KEEP PILING UP
We are all noticing that Judge Zuniga is habitually late to the courtroom on the first day of her workweek. Today, she was one hour late. She made a comment today that “We never start out on time.” I would list her right at the top of the list on reasons why we never start on time. Perhaps she should drive into town the night before and stay in a hotel. To compound her lateness, Marlisa Ferreira was fifteen minutes behind the judge in arriving in the courtroom.
At 10:21AM, Judge Zuniga is finally seated on the bench. Praveen Singh walks into the courtroom. He had been scheduled to testify today, but his appearance has been postponed until February 5th at 9:30AM. I did detect the odor of a rat when he entered the courtroom.
Out of the presence of the jury, and Robert Woody, we immediately go into arguments concerning a question that was asked last Friday by defense attorney Jai Gohel. Jai Gohel had asked a question concerning Robert Woody telling lies in all of his statements. Marlisa Ferreira argues that his question was vague, and that he did not list the date for each interview and did not say which investigator he was being interviewed by. She states that the issue goes to the state of mind that Robert Woody had, and that he could have a different state of mind on the different interviews. Jai Gohel wants to use the testimony of Woody in the Preliminary Hearing. Marlisa Ferreira states that the Preliminary Hearing testimony is useful only to impeach. Marlisa Ferreira states that there was a foundation laid in the Preliminary Hearing for the questions that were asked by the earlier questions that had been asked. She states that there has been no foundation laid in the actual trial from earlier questions that were asked. Jai Gohel states that the prosecution is trying to impose things that are not in the evidence code. He states that he is picking out things that are clearly inconsistent with his sworn testimony in the trial. He states: “These are all inconsistent.” Jai Gohel: “We have a right to thoroughly impeach the witness.” Judge Zuniga: “Just clarify as to which investigator it is, but I don’t disagree that it is impeachment. Judge Zuniga overrules Marlisa Ferreira’s objection that it is improper impeachment. She sustains Marlisa Ferreira’s objection that it is vague because he did not reveal which investigator was taking the statement, and she overrules Marlisa Ferreira’s objection that it was an undue consumption of time. I guess two out of three is not bad.
At 10:36AM, Woody is put onto the stand, and the jury is brought into the courtroom. Jai Gohel gets Woody to admit that he had told a lie when he told the investigators on 08/14/2015 that he had gone directly home. This is contrary to what he has testified to in the trial where he stated that he went to Pop N Cork Liquors. Woody admits that he lied when he told the investigators that he took Korey Kauffman’s body straight to the mountains after Korey Kauffman was allegedly killed. Woody admitted to telling a lie when he told the investigators that he couldn’t describe the gun that he allegedly saw. Woody admitted to a lie when he told the investigators that the body of Korey Kauffman was never buried at Pop N Cork Liquors. I believe this was actually true, so Woody is telling another lie. Woody admits that he told a lie when he told the investigators that he buried the body of Korey Kauffman without cutting off the fingers and the toes. Woody does not remember saying that he did not know if Baljit Athwal or Daljit Atwal were involved in the killing of Korey Kauffman. He gets refreshed with his testimony from the Preliminary Hearing, and still says: “Not really” when he was asked if this refreshed his memory. Jai Gohel wants to impeach on this, but Judge Zuniga tells him to move on, and she will decide later if he can go into this. Woody admits that he told the investigators that he threw the fingers and the toes into the river. He admits to saying that Robin Attenhoffer was the one who actually threw the fingers and the toes into the river near Highway 140. Woody admits that these were false statements (lies.)
Woody admits that he was not working at Pop N Cork Liquors in February of 2014 when he was caught on a body wire confessing to Miranda Dykes that he killed Korey Kauffman all by himself. Woody admits that he heard details about the killing of Korey Kauffman on the streets. Woody admits that his statements to Miranda Dykes were lies. He admits that one of the reasons he made these false statements to Miranda Dykes was to impress her. He admits to telling her all the details because he wanted to impress her. Woody denies that one of the reasons he made the false statements to Miranda Dykes was to romance her. Jai Gohel impeaches Woody with his testimony from the Preliminary Hearing. He has to admit that he was trying to romance her. He states that he was interested in Miranda Dykes. Woody admits to drinking heavily and smoking methamphetamine with her when he was captured on the body wire. He states that he was using ¼ ounce of meth per week at the time, and drinking 2 bottles of Fireball every day when he went into custody. He admits that he does not remember much from the time he was arrested on 02/28/2014. He admits that this is due to his use of methamphetamine. He admits to being stupid and dumb, and says that this is one of the reasons why he made the false confession to Miranda Dykes. Stupid and dumb are two good ways to describe Robert Woody. Woody denies that sometimes he has no reason why he lies.
Jai Gohel now goes into a long list of instances where Woody has to admit that he lied for no reason at all. Jai Gohel goes into a 07/22/2016 interview with Marlisa Ferreira and Steve Jacobson at the DA’s Office where he lied about Frank Carson being present when Korey Kauffman was killed. He denies he lied because he was being stupid. He gets refreshed with his testimony from the Preliminary Hearing. He admits to telling a lie about that for no reason at all. Woody admits to telling a lie for no reason when he told Martin Baker and Todd Helton that both he and Baljit Athwal had dug the grave at Pop N Cork Liquors. He admits that he testified at one time that he killed Korey Kauffman all by himself. He admits that that is a lie, and admits that he had no reason at all to lie about that. He admits to telling a lie for no reason when he said that he threw the fingers and the toes into the river. He admits to telling a lie for no reason when he told Martin Baker and Todd Helton that Baljit Athwal and Daljit Atwal changed their clothes at Pop N Cork Liquors after burying the body of Korey Kauffman.
Woody testified in this trial that he washed his hands at the spigot on the side lot of Pop N Cork Liquors, but admits to telling a lie for no reason when he told Martin Baker and Todd Helton that he did not wash his hands. Woody testifies that he only had one fire on the side lot of Pop N Cork Liquors. Jai Gohel points out that in an interview with CHP Officer Domby and Steve Jacobson he told them he had two fires on the side lot of Pop N Cork Liquors. He admits that this lie was told for no reason. Woody testifies that he threw the dirt out of the pickup truck while it was driving down the road. He states that the pickup truck had an open bed. Jai Gohel points out that in an interview done on 08/14/2015 he told CHP Officer Domby that Baljit Athwal was throwing the dirt. He had to be refreshed to remember saying this. He admits that he told this lie for no reason. My thought is: how could Baljit Athwal be throwing out dirt when he was allegedly driving?
Jai Gohel now goes into Robert Woody’s first interview at the DA’s Office on 02/28/2014-03/01/2014. This interview lasted 7 hours. Woody admits that Jacobson told him that he was facing a 1st degree murder charge where he was lying in wait, with special circumstances. He admits that he was told that he was facing the possibility of the death penalty, or life in prison without the possibility of parole. He admits that he thought that this was pretty harsh. He does not recall that he told lots of lies during this interview because he was trying not to go to jail for the rest of his life. He admits this after being refreshed with his testimony from the Preliminary Hearing. Woody does not recall if said that he lied to avoid the death penalty. He gets refreshed, and admits that he had said this during the Preliminary Hearing. He admits that he would also lie to avoid life in prison without the possibility of parole.
Woody admits that he was aware that he had an arrest warrant out for him for the killing of Korey Kauffman. He admits to being in the company of Candy Watts before he was arrested. Candy Watts is the mother of Robert Woody’s children. He admits to heavy drinking, smoking pot, and smoking methamphetamine with her while he was on the run. He admits that he slept for 2 days after his arrest because of not sleeping while he was on meth. Woody admits that during his first interview, he first denied any involvement in the killing of Korey Kauffman. He admits that after he was arrested, he called his father and told him he had made statements to the cops when he was drunk, wired, and tight. Woody admits that he first started implicating himself after he was told by the investigators that the first person who came to the table would get a deal. Woody admits that Detective Jon Evers told him that this was his “Golden Opportunity.” Woody admits that Steve Jacobson told him that the day would come when Frank Carson, Baljit Athwal, and Daljit Atwal would blame him for the killing of Korey Kauffman. Woody admits that his arrest was shortly after he made his recorded statement to Miranda Dykes. Woody admits that the investigators played the body wire recording for him during his first interview at the DA’s Office. After being refreshed, Woody admits that the investigators told him he would go to prison based on what was contained in the recording. It is now time for lunch.
I was not able to get back from lunch until 1:36PM, so I missed around 6 minutes of testimony. As I sit down, I can hear Woody admit that Kirk Bunch had told him that all his denials are useless. Bunch: “Despite all your denials, it is not too late to correct this. Woody admits that he told Steve Jacobson that he was not involved in the killing of Korey Kauffman during a transport from Tuolumne County on 03/14/2014. Woody admits to telling Jacobson during on 03/28/2014 that he knew nothing about Korey Kauffman or if Baljit Athwal and Daljit Atwal had anything to do with the killing of Korey Kauffman. Woody admits that he continued to deny any involvement to Kirk Bunch, Special Agent Brody, Dale Lingerfeldt, and his attorneys after his 03/01/2014 interview. Woody admits to saying that he was “Fuzzy” about the alleged threat he made against Korey Kauffman during his interview on 08/14/2015 with Steve Jacobson and CHP Officer Domby. He admits that he told them: “You are pushing me to it.” After being refreshed, Woody admits that he told them: “You are wanting me to provide more information that I can produce.” Woody admits that Bunch, and Jacobson were drilling him and getting hostile.
Woody admits that in 2014 he had a telephone conversation with his father where he said: “Daddy, they want me to make up a story about the Athwals and Frank Carson being involved.” He admits that Kirk Bunch and Steve Jacobson were trying to make him make up a story on Frank Carson and the Athwals being there. He admits to telling his mother he was being harassed by Steve Jacobson during a transport. He states that Jacobson was telling him he didn’t do it, and that he was not coming clean. Woody admits that around one month after his arrest on 04/02/2014 he told his attorneys that he did not know if the Athwal brothers did anything at all. Woody admits to making false statements, including seeing Baljit Athwal fighting Korey Kauffman. Woody admits to lying because he thought that was what the investigators wanted to hear.
Woody admits that during an 11/04/2014 interview with a Private Investigator he was asked by the investigator if he was told anything while he was in the restroom during the infamous bathroom break. Woody admits that Steve Jacobson told him to go back into there and tell the investigators what they wanted to hear.
Woody is asked about an interview that was done on 08/14/2015 with Domby and Jacobson where he was reminded about the story about the fight he had told the investigators on 03/01/2014. Woody admits that he told them that what he said was a lie. Woody admits, that after he said this, Domby told him: “We are way past that part.” Woody admits that at that time, he had been in custody for around 18 months, and was still denying any involvement. Woody admits that at that point, the investigators brought him from the Public Safety Center to the Sheriff’s Department where he could see Daljit Atwal, Baljit Athwal, Frank Carson, Walter Wells, and others being incarcerated. Woody admits that after he saw the defendants being processed, it was then that Domby told him “We are way past that part.”
Jai Gohel now goes into the incident where his mother held up the paper in the window at the jail telling him to change his testimony. (to tell lies.) Woody admits that his mother did not say anything on the telephone while she was holding up the paper. Woody denies that his mother told him she had just testified in court. Woody admits that he told the investigators what Beverly Woody wanted him to say on 07/22/2016. After being refreshed, Woody admits that he was afraid his mother could get into trouble for what she had done. He admits that he cares for his mother. Woody admits that he lied to the investigators in part because he did not want his mother to get into trouble. Woody admits that Beverly Woody was telling him to tell some lies when she held up the paper at the jail. Woody admits that he told these lies. Woody, after being refreshed, admits he told the lies because he wanted to please his mother. Woody admits he told these lies to Marlisa Ferreira and Steve Jacobson because he knew his mother had testified. Woody admits that he was worried that Beverly Woody had lied on the stand. I must say this runs in the family.
Woody admits that Steve Jacobson told him that Beverly Woody would not be prosecuted. Woody states that the investigators showed him a Google Map photo of the Carson property, and he showed them where Walter Wells’ silver “beater car” had been parked. Jai Gohel: “When you marked where the car was parked, was it a lie?” Woody: “Correct.” Woody does not recall saying that he was very specific about where the car was parked because he wanted the investigators to believe him. He gets refreshed on this, and admits that he had included all the details to make his story seem more believable. Woody does not remember, when he spoke to Miranda Dykes, if he included all the gory details of killing Korey Kauffman to make his story seem more believable. Jai Gohel goes over all the dirty details he provided Miranda Dykes. Woody admits that he told her these details to make his story seem more believable.
Woody admits that when he lied to Kirk Bunch on 10/05/2016 he intended for his lies to be believed. Woody admits that when he met with Marlisa Ferreira on 07/22/2016 he knew that he was going to lie to her. Woody admits his mother told him to tell the lies so that he would get out of jail sooner.
It is now 3:20PM, and Percy Martinez requests to approach the judge. After the side bar, we are sent out for a break until 3:20PM. Frank Carson needed a break. At 3:21PM, Woody states that he does not recall saying he was willing to lie on his 07/22/2016 interview with Marlisa Ferreira and Steve Jacobson in order to get a deal. He gets refreshed, and admits that he lied in order to get a deal. He admits that he thought it would get him a better deal. Woody admits that he did get a deal. He states that his sentencing has been put off until he is done testifying in this trial. I hope they take back his deal. He deserves that for all the pain and suffering he has inflicted on the defendants in this case. Woody admits that Steve Jacobson always did his transports, and it was almost always just the two of them in the car. He states that it was a long drive. Woody admits that Steve Jacobson would talk to him, and would play tapes for him when he was on breaks at the courtroom. Woody admits that Steve Jacobson, on 08/14/2015, played the 7 hour 1st interview for him while they sat in a room. Woody denies that this was done in his cell. Jai Gohel impeaches Woody on this, and after being refreshed, he admits it was done in his cell.
Woody denies he confessed to killing Korey Kauffman to Patrick Hampton while they were housed together in jail. Jai Gohel now goes to the “Your Ass is Grass” incident. Woody admits that during an interview with Domby and Jacobson on 08/14/2015 he initially told them that he had no recollection of the incident. He admits that Domby and Jacobson told him over and over again that: “You were there.” Woody does not remember being told about the “Your Ass is Grass” incident by Kimberly Stout. Jai Gohel wants to impeach Woody with some questions he had been asked by Martha Carlton Magana in the Preliminary Hearing. Judge Zuniga tells Jai that he will have to get back to this at a later time. Jai Gohel now gets Woody to admit that someone in his family had told him that Kimberly Stout had given a statement to Kirk Bunch. Woody does not recall that his memory of the incident was jogged by the witness who said that she saw him on South Johnson Street. Woody does not recall that his memory had been jogged by someone in his family. He gets refreshed on this, and admits that his memory was jogged by someone in his family. Woody admits that woman who spoke to his family was Kimberly Stout. We have a side bar. Woody admits that Hans Hjertonsson had asked him about not recalling the incident on South Johnson Street. We are now done for the day. It only took me three hours after dinner tonight to do this article. Time for a Coors Light.
Sincerely; William Thomas Jensen (Tom)